what is goth?
Zitat von oraqle am 25 Juni, 2004, 2215 Uhrmany people in my somewhat small and backward town believe that i am a goth simply because i wear black t-shirts and have an "i don't give a shit" attitude about life and everything in it and i have always corrected them by saying that "i'm not goth..i'm all of the above." but it's got me wondering, what exactly is being goth? is it the color of your clothes and the music you listen to? i mean, is there some goth headquarters out there that decides that off grey is the NEW fad for goths vs. the almost black grey that was in style last year? (sarcasm alert!) if so, i haven't got the memo..lol.
or does it have to do with attitude or something equally, yet somehow more profoundly, internal?
just a thought.
many people in my somewhat small and backward town believe that i am a goth simply because i wear black t-shirts and have an "i don't give a shit" attitude about life and everything in it and i have always corrected them by saying that "i'm not goth..i'm all of the above." but it's got me wondering, what exactly is being goth? is it the color of your clothes and the music you listen to? i mean, is there some goth headquarters out there that decides that off grey is the NEW fad for goths vs. the almost black grey that was in style last year? (sarcasm alert!) if so, i haven't got the memo..lol.
or does it have to do with attitude or something equally, yet somehow more profoundly, internal?
just a thought.
Zitat von maestro am 26 Juni, 2004, 0413 UhrUrgh a topic which could go on for hours.
I wear a lot of black, have that same "take it or fuck off" attitude and so am considered goth by most folks outside of the goth community. But then I know I'm not seen as goth by other goths.
I'm not sure what it is that makes a goth, what you need ticked in the list before you can call yourself a goth, and not just "gothy", but I'd not really care matey. Just do your thing and hang with the people you want to. Goth or not they'll accept what you are, and all the while those outside will misunderstand and you may well get shit for the way you dress, act, etc..
Besides, goth themselves can't really agree on goth, so what chance do the rest of us have.
PS Yes, I am goth as fcuk.
Urgh a topic which could go on for hours.
I wear a lot of black, have that same "take it or fuck off" attitude and so am considered goth by most folks outside of the goth community. But then I know I'm not seen as goth by other goths.
I'm not sure what it is that makes a goth, what you need ticked in the list before you can call yourself a goth, and not just "gothy", but I'd not really care matey. Just do your thing and hang with the people you want to. Goth or not they'll accept what you are, and all the while those outside will misunderstand and you may well get shit for the way you dress, act, etc..
Besides, goth themselves can't really agree on goth, so what chance do the rest of us have.
PS Yes, I am goth as fcuk.
Zitat von maestro am 26 Juni, 2004, 0905 Uhrunfortunately there is noone that decides whats gothic and what is not
the term was coined when a producer had to come up with something describing the sound of Joy Divison ( as far as i remember) - so "gothic" in fact has no real meaning, it could be anything from david bowie to blue haired techno fetish manga girls
and as it has not real meaning, it means something different for each person: thats why some people find it fitting to wear pvc pants together with coffin-jewellery and a top hat while others wear something completely different - for me it's mostly a joke, something morbid and funny - others see it as deep philosphical movement - remember, ´"gothic" doesnt mean anything, so it can be everything
your neighbours might have their own idea for what is goth - it might be luck or an accident but it fits on you, what doesnt mean you HAVE to be goth if you dont want to
( what stands clearly in contrast to some people wanting to be goth but never will be goth but that's another topic)
unfortunately there is noone that decides whats gothic and what is not
the term was coined when a producer had to come up with something describing the sound of Joy Divison ( as far as i remember) - so "gothic" in fact has no real meaning, it could be anything from david bowie to blue haired techno fetish manga girls
and as it has not real meaning, it means something different for each person: thats why some people find it fitting to wear pvc pants together with coffin-jewellery and a top hat while others wear something completely different - for me it's mostly a joke, something morbid and funny - others see it as deep philosphical movement - remember, ´"gothic" doesnt mean anything, so it can be everything
your neighbours might have their own idea for what is goth - it might be luck or an accident but it fits on you, what doesnt mean you HAVE to be goth if you dont want to
( what stands clearly in contrast to some people wanting to be goth but never will be goth but that's another topic)
Zitat von belos am 26 Juni, 2004, 1457 UhrWell.....I have beem GOTHIC (not goth) since 1973....even when I was a Policeman for about 7 years.
And still am.
If you want food for thought (or to throw up over), hit my site and on the top bar, hit the 2 gothic sections. No real thunderbolts of wisdom, but you never know?
But...it will never be the same thing....it will be a perpetual question mark....no matter how many folks you talk to.
What I DO think is more than disgusting (besides the general public prejudice) is the prejudice among those within the Dark "community"....we are more snubby to anyone who is not "as goth as me", than most of the rest of the world.
Well.....I have beem GOTHIC (not goth) since 1973....even when I was a Policeman for about 7 years.
And still am.
If you want food for thought (or to throw up over), hit my site and on the top bar, hit the 2 gothic sections. No real thunderbolts of wisdom, but you never know?
But...it will never be the same thing....it will be a perpetual question mark....no matter how many folks you talk to.
What I DO think is more than disgusting (besides the general public prejudice) is the prejudice among those within the Dark "community"....we are more snubby to anyone who is not "as goth as me", than most of the rest of the world.
Zitat von oraqle am 26 Juni, 2004, 1905 Uhrah, yes. i do have to agree with that..those who are considered truly "goth" do have a rather elitist point of view. but i can't much complain..so do i at times. 😉 anyway, i wasn't trying to find a way to conform or anything..it just struck me that i wanted to know. 🙂 peace to you all and thanks for your input.
ah, yes. i do have to agree with that..those who are considered truly "goth" do have a rather elitist point of view. but i can't much complain..so do i at times. 😉 anyway, i wasn't trying to find a way to conform or anything..it just struck me that i wanted to know. 🙂 peace to you all and thanks for your input.
Zitat von maestro am 27 Juni, 2004, 1541 Uhrwhen a producer
Ahh yes, the delightful Antony "Tony" Wilson. An embassidor, albeit a rather unpopular one, of my home city of Manchester. He was a driving force behind Manchester's music scene of the 80's/90's and was one of the names aroudn the city's (in)famous dance club, the Hacienda, the bastion and some say home, of the drug-rave culture. They gutted the place and turned it into modern "urban living" flats. I found it hilarous that these expensive city apartments for well-to-do inner-city career types were being advertised as owning a piece of the Hacienda history, one built on drugs, over-doses, really bad music and dancing and day-glo smilies. 😀
Should you be so interested in the antics of Mr Wilson, there was a recent film "24 hour party people" based around his life and the Manchester dance scene.
when a producer
Ahh yes, the delightful Antony "Tony" Wilson. An embassidor, albeit a rather unpopular one, of my home city of Manchester. He was a driving force behind Manchester's music scene of the 80's/90's and was one of the names aroudn the city's (in)famous dance club, the Hacienda, the bastion and some say home, of the drug-rave culture. They gutted the place and turned it into modern "urban living" flats. I found it hilarous that these expensive city apartments for well-to-do inner-city career types were being advertised as owning a piece of the Hacienda history, one built on drugs, over-doses, really bad music and dancing and day-glo smilies. 😀
Should you be so interested in the antics of Mr Wilson, there was a recent film "24 hour party people" based around his life and the Manchester dance scene.
Zitat von maestro am 29 Juni, 2004, 1917 Uhrdrugs, overdoses and day-glo smilies?
if one considers your environment that offers a completely new approach to analyze your postings
drugs, overdoses and day-glo smilies?
if one considers your environment that offers a completely new approach to analyze your postings
Zitat von maestro am 30 Juni, 2004, 1633 UhrOh hush. I'm sure Germany had it's rave culture in it's day too... am rather sure it is probably still going on too.
Never seen the point in Ecstasy ... I can dance like a twat well enough on Vodka alone.
Oh hush. I'm sure Germany had it's rave culture in it's day too... am rather sure it is probably still going on too.
Never seen the point in Ecstasy ... I can dance like a twat well enough on Vodka alone.
Zitat von maestro am 30 Juni, 2004, 1651 Uhrit's still goin on but noone knows where - it vanished and those people only come out to celebrate the love parade once a year
you sometimes get the idea that all the ravers hide in goth clubs and wear black in between the parades, judging by the change of music there
it's still goin on but noone knows where - it vanished and those people only come out to celebrate the love parade once a year
you sometimes get the idea that all the ravers hide in goth clubs and wear black in between the parades, judging by the change of music there
Zitat von hippiepunk am 2 Juli, 2004, 1430 Uhr@maestro wrote:
it's still goin on but noone knows where - it vanished and those people only come out to celebrate the love parade once a year
you sometimes get the idea that all the ravers hide in goth clubs and wear black in between the parades, judging by the change of music there
I think i know what ur talking about, and yes, thats the way ravers are, hidden in goth clubs, and of course, because of the currents of changes, they had to wear black and listen to new music in every era. And unfortunately they only come out once a year in love festivals. THAT"S THE WAY I'M.
But time is changing, and so do us. Let's wait 2 c what 2morrrow brings
@maestro wrote:
it's still goin on but noone knows where - it vanished and those people only come out to celebrate the love parade once a year
you sometimes get the idea that all the ravers hide in goth clubs and wear black in between the parades, judging by the change of music there
I think i know what ur talking about, and yes, thats the way ravers are, hidden in goth clubs, and of course, because of the currents of changes, they had to wear black and listen to new music in every era. And unfortunately they only come out once a year in love festivals. THAT"S THE WAY I'M.
But time is changing, and so do us. Let's wait 2 c what 2morrrow brings
Zitat von maestro am 2 Juli, 2004, 1941 Uhrprollie only more skirt wearing depresso fags
"goth" and "future" are two things i dont like to think of in combination
prollie only more skirt wearing depresso fags
"goth" and "future" are two things i dont like to think of in combination
Zitat von oraqle am 6 Juli, 2004, 1117 Uhrhey...not all skirt wearing depresso fags are bad...just the ones you feel like shooting in the head. 😉
hey...not all skirt wearing depresso fags are bad...just the ones you feel like shooting in the head. 😉
Zitat von hippiepunk am 6 Juli, 2004, 1337 UhrMaestro, with all my respects, i agree with oraqle.....
Maestro, with all my respects, i agree with oraqle.....
Zitat von maestro am 7 Juli, 2004, 1130 Uhri feel like shooting them all
never ran over anyone of them who had any idea of what he was talking about, no matter what the topic was
i feel like shooting them all
never ran over anyone of them who had any idea of what he was talking about, no matter what the topic was
Zitat von oraqle am 11 Juli, 2004, 1738 Uhri personally believe that the right combination of goth and future makes for a great time...like deep, soul-wrenching conversations while playing with glo-sticks..it's all good. kinda reminds me of my childhood with a whole "Dr. Seuss on speed" type of twist. *sigh* good times.. 😈
i personally believe that the right combination of goth and future makes for a great time...like deep, soul-wrenching conversations while playing with glo-sticks..it's all good. kinda reminds me of my childhood with a whole "Dr. Seuss on speed" type of twist. *sigh* good times.. 😈
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