what do you think of the new book Todd is gonna bring out?
please cut personal remarks about my buddies 😡
Schnall dich an und schnapp dir deinen Schutzhelm Einleitung: Die Illusion der Gewinnbarkeit Stell dir…
“V” by F.Sebastian
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Teilnehmerobviously hes got tons of people who’re interested in what he writes.
it seems to be less a book of ethics but a “better life thru vampirism” book, including the ego thing from the satanic bible thing…
i’m on line with his main “have fun” statement even if im not too in for the magick – but all in all it might be interesting to read….and cut the number of whiny kids.they are even a church now in the netherlands 😯 ( ok, *I* could be a church there, too 😉 )…shall i open a church? 😈
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Teilnehmer
@maestro wrote:
less a book of ethics but a “better life thru vampirism”
Scott Adams beat him to it. “Build a better life through stealing office stationary”. Difference is, Dilbert is INTENTIONALLY funny.
@maestro wrote:
including the ego thing from the satanic bible thing…
’cause that’s sure as hell not been re-printed enough…
@maestro wrote:
his main “have fun” statement even if im not too in for the magick
Yes, the magick… Am I the only one who looks at “Father” todd and sees a fangsmith ? a guy who’s only and every motivation seems to be $$$ ??*shrugs* Hey if the rest of the Vamps want to go worship and follow some crack pot dentist, that’s their own deal, but lets not make “The order of the root canal” to be about anything beyond manipulating and exploting the legions of vampire wannabes.
Stop the whiny kids ? *smirks* Todd, Sanguinarium and everything he touches caters precisely FOR the whiny kids… “hey kids, with a pair of my fangs and a copy of my ‘how to live a vampiric life’ book, you too can be one of the undead’ … just cough up your pocket money.
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Teilnehmer
so whats so negative about makin money dude
if i could make money out of VTK i sure as hell would! 😈
i rather have him around telling the kids to shut off and buy his stuff than the sangops telling the kids to whine louder and work on their arsetroll projection techniques.
the magick stuff ..well a lot of people ive met are into that, so maybe it has a place somewhere ..even if not on VTK… – but the order stuff ( even if it sounds wierd and he cut my SS ring idea 8) ) is mainly about having fun and not hanging on the internet.
if you take the magick and all seriously youll go nowhere but the rest might give you a good time sometimes…at least over here you get to meet people through that “mafia” thing 😉 -
Teilnehmer
@maestro wrote:
so whats so negative about makin money dude
Nothing I guess, but like I say, it underlines a key difference within the community. Folks like yourself, here for the “good time”, are welcome to Todd and his delluded ramblings.
Personally, I’m not here looking for prep girls trying to piss off mom, or mid-life crisis victims who think climbing into a corset and donning a pair of fangs is a suitable substitute for self-esteem. So, yes, I have issues with it being “commercial”. I have issues with Vamp merchandise, I have issues with Vamp balls, dances, trips to romania, etc, etc… It’s cheap. It’s like Christmas being about drinking Coca-Cola and leaving out mince pies for Rudolph.
For me, I just pissed off that more and more, the “vampyre” community seems to simply be about having the derranged, perverted unwelcome dregs of the goth community, using “vampirism” as an excuse for their lack of morallity and decency.
@maestro wrote:
at least over here you get to meet people
Again, not in it for that, perhaps you are.. in which case, I’d suggest a dating agency. Costs less, far less dangerous and foregoes the need to hang around greasy long haired middle aged men with a fetish for school girls in PVC.
I KNOW I’m in the minority, if not some tiny isolated island all on my “Todd” (geddit?), but hey, I’m a peacock, and will squark at every opportunity. 😉
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Teilnehmer
meeting people was in no way connected with meeting girls, rather with meeting people who want to have a good time.
cause all the derranged fucks we’d get by the goth community are freakin scared off by people who might be able to perform a grin once in a while, who might be able to spend money cause they have a job (instead of their wierd haircut which is soo goff that they shit black lipstick – but unfortunately wont get them employment), who might be able to meet even on weekdays cause they wont vanish on sunday and only resurface on friday when they can dress up and go out clubbing again – where noone sees their lack of hobbies or friends and the emtpyness of themselves under 3 inches of makeup.
VTK’s main message is “get a life” – go out and have friends, not just people you see once a month, you never talked more to than “how’s it goin” – there are enough people i know who use to only recognize you when they’re “on air”…once theyre running out of pills suddenly youre not their best friend anymore ( those guys have LOTS of best friends)
ever wondered why we dont have such guys on here?
cause its exactly the “get a life” thing that gets them off, they are goth on weekends thats enougheven if i find todd’s ideas or practices not the best ones, so at least hes trying to bring the message out – even if i disagree about the magick, its just metaphorical…you dont feed your “inner dragon”, you feed your self esteem, you get a life, get friends and dont care about those freakin politics other groups are after
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Teilnehmer
@maestro wrote:
even if i find todd’s ideas or practices not the best ones, so at least hes trying to bring the message out – even if i disagree about the magick
I have no “quarms” with the message. The goff fucks can all get together at their weekend parties, don their capes and pretend to be vampires, drink absinthe and read poe until the early hours and then go back to being “strange bloke in the office”.
What I disagree with is that Sanguiarium and Todd have never been about “have fun”. It’s always been about “You can be a vampire, be in our group, spend your $$$”. Todd is to Vampirism what TV Evangilism is to Christianity.. it’s tacky, quick, and merely used to smooth over one’s conscience.
“Live life” as a mantra, does NOT need a f**king manual to go with it.
And who exactly is going to BUY this book ? will it be those who do “live life”, who have the self-confidence to go out an sieze life, or those who merely do as Todd, Crowley, Gardner or whichever dingbat they’ve read about this week tells them ??
Drinking, partying and screwing chix is an ART FORM, you can’t learn it from a book. 😉
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Teilnehmer
well if they do what they get told they prollie might TRY to get a life.. and if they paid for that fine…i wanna be paid for each time i tell that to someone too 😉
@Vorsuc wrote:
Drinking, partying and screwing chix is an ART FORM, you can’t learn it from a book. 😉
well said sir. 😀
indeed i have to absolutely agree with you there
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TeilnehmerI’m not a big fan of Sebastian. I like the books that have came out, that the Synode had helped him write, but the simple fact of how he conducts business, who he uses and brings in, then the fact of one thing comes to mind of him, is green. I cannot follow someone who only things about bringing more money to his pockets.
Perhaps at one point, he was all into the ideal of bring about a stronger form of Vampyrism, one which the world can, semi, except, but I believe that was lost some time ago.
Yet, then again, this is from everything I’ve read and heard from others, so I cannot completly say, I won’t change my mind on this man, or his ideas.
– Sin
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Teilnehmer
Todd’s never been about “Vampyrism”. If you want to get all “Conspiracy theory”, it’s true to say Todd, Sabretooth and Sanguinarium pretty much manufactured a vampire community.
Todd, manufactured ideas like the Synod (a group others involved with Todd had never previously heard of) to add more credibility to himself. But essentially, he was all about finding others “like him” to hang out and have fun. Eventually that got perverted and he and others like Michelle Belenger started hijacked and plagerising everything they could get their hands on, V:tM, D&D, old occult books and so on, all to provide added content and mysticism to the whole vampyre deal to help more books fly off shelves.
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Teilnehmer
I know about the VtM/VtR thing, they even come out and address that in the book as well.
Yet, most anything in regards to Occult, was taken from something else, so I can’t say its not surprising that some of the stuff was pulled from other publications.
– Sin
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