Interesting link...thoughts?
Zitat von insidedistuo am 5 August, 2006, 0110 UhrWhat a can of worms you may have opened here Ujio. wink:
I have been vocal of my feelings about the war and the Bush takeover to the exaustion of most people I know... and a few I don't...
but it should be noted... this person is not the first to refuse to go fight a war they dont belive in ... there are many in jail for the same thing..
and the Government , media ect... are not making a big deal of those.. for fear of a larger problem ..
But it should be noted... that the military signup bonus has increased AGAIN... and the elections are coming up so.... if you need 20 grand... hey move here .. :lol:
Eh... you guys should know how I feel about this topic...
if not , and you are close enough.. let me know and we can discuss it over a few beers....
if you still dont agree I can beat your head into a wall , till you see the light.. heehee... :twisted:
IO
What a can of worms you may have opened here Ujio. wink:
I have been vocal of my feelings about the war and the Bush takeover to the exaustion of most people I know... and a few I don't...
but it should be noted... this person is not the first to refuse to go fight a war they dont belive in ... there are many in jail for the same thing..
and the Government , media ect... are not making a big deal of those.. for fear of a larger problem ..
But it should be noted... that the military signup bonus has increased AGAIN... and the elections are coming up so.... if you need 20 grand... hey move here .. :lol:
Eh... you guys should know how I feel about this topic...
if not , and you are close enough.. let me know and we can discuss it over a few beers....
if you still dont agree I can beat your head into a wall , till you see the light.. heehee... :twisted:
IO

Zitat von maestro am 5 August, 2006, 1706 UhrIn germany we have something which is vaguely translated to "inner leadership" - the process in which a soldier is expected to quickly mind-check every order he/she gets for compilance to german basic law, human rights, international laws and his own conciousness.
If he deems the order violates any of those in a " we're not supposed to shoot children" way, he is expected to refuse it and will get away without prosecution if there is the slightest chance his interpretation could have been right, even if proven wrong later.
Of course there can be no internal suffrage among the military about wether a war is right or wrong, but i wonder how the war in iraq could be going on for several years without anyone in the armed forces questioning it in such a way until now.
In germany we have something which is vaguely translated to "inner leadership" - the process in which a soldier is expected to quickly mind-check every order he/she gets for compilance to german basic law, human rights, international laws and his own conciousness.
If he deems the order violates any of those in a " we're not supposed to shoot children" way, he is expected to refuse it and will get away without prosecution if there is the slightest chance his interpretation could have been right, even if proven wrong later.
Of course there can be no internal suffrage among the military about wether a war is right or wrong, but i wonder how the war in iraq could be going on for several years without anyone in the armed forces questioning it in such a way until now.
Zitat von ujio am 6 August, 2006, 1302 UhrIf I remember correctly, IO, this guy is an officer, not just an enlisted man....it makes the statement a little bigger than it usually would be with any old PFC.
If I remember correctly, IO, this guy is an officer, not just an enlisted man....it makes the statement a little bigger than it usually would be with any old PFC.
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