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belos avatar
belos@belos
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#1 · 26 Oktober, 2005, 2221
Zitat von belos am 26 Oktober, 2005, 2221 Uhr

I know many of us here are in Germany, the home of this site 😉

And I have my Absinthe shipped over here from Germany, thru a site called Alandia.de.

I was curious if we have any Absinthe fans here?


I know many of us here are in Germany, the home of this site 😉

And I have my Absinthe shipped over here from Germany, thru a site called Alandia.de.

I was curious if we have any Absinthe fans here?

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#2 · 27 Oktober, 2005, 0013
Zitat von maestro am 27 Oktober, 2005, 0013 Uhr

wow! i never knew there was a so detailed ressource for shopping absynthe 😉
me and the girl like it, but we also like sambuca which doesnt cost a tank fill so that is mainly the drink of choice as absinthe isnt served on most locations here

some time they wanted to change that but you know how fast goth trends implode


wow! i never knew there was a so detailed ressource for shopping absynthe 😉
me and the girl like it, but we also like sambuca which doesnt cost a tank fill so that is mainly the drink of choice as absinthe isnt served on most locations here

some time they wanted to change that but you know how fast goth trends implode

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#3 · 27 Oktober, 2005, 0753
Zitat von darkpanic am 27 Oktober, 2005, 0753 Uhr

www.absintheonline.com

Dornier Tuller CC 91KB

Nicknamed "La Fée Verte" ("The Green Fairy") after its pale-green colour, it tastes much like an aniseed-flavoured liqueur but with a more subtle flavour, due to the many herbs used, and light bitter undertones.

In addition to wormwood, absinthe contains anise (often partially substituted with star anise), Florence fennel, hyssop, melissa, and Roman wormwood (Artemisia pontica). Various recipes also include angelica root, sweet flag, dittany leaves, coriander, veronica, juniper, nutmeg, and various mountain herbs.

The alcohol content is extremely high (45%~85%, though there is no historical evidence that any commercial vintage absinthe was higher than 74 percent) given the low solubility of many of the herbal components in alcohol.

It is usually not drunk "straight," but consumed after a fairly elaborate ritual (link with info) in which a specially designed, slotted spoon with a sugar cube inside its bowl is placed over a glass, and water is poured over the sugar until the drink is diluted 3:1 to 5:1. During that ritual, the components that are not soluble in water come out of solution and cloud the drink; that milky opalescence has always been called the "louche" (Fr. "opaque" or "shady"). This process takes around seven minutes, the following is a time-lapse animation of it:
Louche 1

In the former times of the Belle Epoque many intellectuals and artists confessed their love to the Green Fairy and met for the "Heure Verte", the green hour, in the bistros of Paris. Toulouse Lautrec, Baudelaire, Manet, Rimbaud, Verlaine and Gauguin were famous absintheures, just to name a few.

Asides from alcohol absinthe contains a number of different psychoactive substances. Among these thujon is of major importance, a substance released by the wormwood plant, known under the name artemisia absinthium. The effects of real absinthe can be mood brightening, stimulating even euphorizing. Today in Germany and other European Countries the maximum thujon content permitted by law is 10mg per kilogram in spirits and 35mg in the so called "Bitter Spirits."

When indulged in moderation, the effect is one of pleasant alcohol intoxication accompanied by a lively mental clarity and uplifted mood, not unlike that of caffeine. It is now commonly thought to be the result of the mixture of the herbs in question, not merely the wormwood. It is likely that this liveliness and clarity allowed the artists and writers of the belle epoque to capture their visions rather than simply falling into a stupor. However, it must be remembered that absinthe inspires brilliance, it does not provide it.

When indulged in excessively, however, the effects are precisely similar to those of any over-indulgence in alcohol. Take into mind the very high alcohol content compared to most modern drinks, and indulge responsibly and in moderation.

Absinthe is not a narcotic. It will not make you "trip", hallucinate, cut your ear off, or anything else you wouldn't ordinarily do when intoxicated with liquor. These often-repeated legends are based on misinformation, exaggeration, 19th century politics (specifically, the Puritanical drive to to ban all alcohol-containing drinks - absinthe was an easy target because of it's high alcohol content) and media hype.

Absinthe has never been banned in the UK, Spain, Portgual, the areas now known as the Czech Republic or Mexico, nor in much of Southern and Eastern Europe,
It was banned in Congo, Brazil, Belgium, Switzerland, Holland, the USA, and France in the early 1900's as a result of French controversy.
It was recently legalised again by the European Union in 1988 and is now legal in nearly all of Europe.

An often neglected fact is that there were millions who enjoyed absinthe regularly with no ill effects whatsoever. There were over 30,000 cafés all over Paris. At its height of popularity, the people of France consumed over 36,000,000 liters of absinthe a year . Everyone drank absinthe. There were no drug-induced "trips" as with commonly available illegal drugs.
Absinthe was never drunk furtively in dark, secret "absinthe dens". It was like beer is today - everywhere, in every bar.

Swiss poster criticising the 1915 ban of Absinthe
It shows a triumphant prohibitionist, dressed as a priest, trampling on the murdered figure of the Green Fairy, while in the background Helvetica mourns her lost liberties.

From 2nd March this year, absinthe was made again legal in its country of origin, Switzerland, after nearly a century of prohibition. Evidence suggests absinthe has never stopped being produced in Switzerland and clandestine home distillers have produced it since the ban.

In America it is still banned, and bottles of absinthe are regularly seized by American customs officers.
There it is not specified as a controlled substance and not legally considered a drug (as in fact, it is not). This means that there are no laws specifically prohibiting possession or consumption of absinthe in particular. It can, however, be seized during transit or from your home, with a warrant. Also, it is considered untaxed liquor, which is illegal.
If absinthe is discovered in luggage being brought into the US it will be confiscated and "destroyed" (by some very delighted customs officers and their drinking buddies, most likely). It's not considered "evil" like cocaine or heroin, it's considered naughty.
If absinthe is discovered by Customs or the US Postal Service (USPS) being shipped to the US via the mail, it will be seized and the package will be resealed and delivered to its intended recipient along with a letter stating that the absinthe had been found and seized and you may elect to contest the seizure (you have no chance of winning this), have them "destroy" it or return it to the sender.
In any of these cases, you will not be fined, arrested or harassed, you'll just have your booze stolen from you by well-meaning but ignorant public servants. They are only doing their job.

What's wrong with Czech-style Absinth (easily spotted as it does not include the E of Absinthe) - also produced in Russia, Germany, Poland, Holland, Austria and Bulgaria.
With very few exceptions, absinthe ("absinth") produced outside France, Switzerland and Spain are terribly inferior absinthe knock-offs and marketed by less-than-ethical businesses - It's fake, and possibly harmful due to added chemicals that ordinary Absinthe does not contain that can prove toxic.
However, recently, three medium-to-decent quality brands of authentic absinthe have been released: "Montmartre" from Austria, "Absinthe Toulouse Lautrec" from Czechia, and one decent Swiss absinth (no e), "Kallnacher".

Thujone is not a narcotic either. Thujone, the primary volatile oil in wormwood, is present in only in very small amounts in absinthe and is negligible in its effects. The current "high-thujone" and "strong" hype on many sites selling absinthe (usually absinth, the poor-quality ripoff) is merely a marketing gimmick aimed at the gullible in search of a new high. Thujone's role in the so-called "secondary effect" is greatly exaggerated, as are the secondaries themselves.

While in extremely high quantities, thujone is known to be a dangerous neurotoxin, science has shown through chemical analysis of vintage absinthes and contemporary absinthes made strictly according to historical recipes, that previous estimates of thujone levels in pre-ban absinthe were greatly exaggerated. One would die of alcohol poisoning long before one could consume enough absinthe to get a substantial dose of thujone.

Sage and tarragon both contain thujone. There's probably as much thujone in one glass of absinthe as there is in a helping of turkey stuffing. Very, very little and in no way harmful. As was mentioned previously, most of the taste comes from the unique combination of herbs, and the "Absinthe effect" comes from the distillation process.

The majority of studies cited by critics which seem to implicate absinthe were not performed by testing absinthe itself, but used pure thujone extracted directly from wormwood without distillation and without considering the miniscule amounts actually present in the absinthe after distillation. A parody of a scientific analysis.

Many decadent fin-de-siecle Paris-based artists including Paul Verlaine and Oscar Wilde were fans of the drink.

Contrary to rumours, Absinthe definitely does not in any way "rot your mind" 😉

Pure thujone, now that would be a different matter. But that's like saying drinking alcoholic drinks is the same as drinking pure Ethanol (pure alcohol, 100% proof), which would surely kill you. It's not. 😉

A detailed scientific report about Thujone by Ian Hutton in an article titled 'Myth, reality and absinthe' September 2002, first appearing in 'Current Drug Discovery' magazine, a resource for individuals working in healthcare - "Absinthe has always had an ambivalent history, praised on the one hand as 'The Green Muse' by its devotees, while condemned on the other by it detractors as a cause of moral degeneracy. But is there any scientific or medical basis for either position?"

You can't make real absinthe at home any more than you can make real whisky at home. Absinthe must be distilled. Soaking wormwood in vodka to make absinthe is like soaking corn in vodka to make Bourbon. It's like adding grape juice to vodka to make wine.

Authentic absinthe is not horribly bitter; it is less so than tonic water or tea, and the tradition of adding sugar also helps belay the bitterness.

Reviews of different absinthes.

Absinthe cocktail recipes.

The sugar's an important bit! The preparation ritual's for a reason, think the Chinese Tea Ritual, it's to make sure it is prepared and tastes the best possible!

Also there are many many different types of Absinthe, with different tastes, flavours and ingredients. They're no more the same than all types of wine are.

From www.alandia.de:
Particularly good varities:
1. Absinthe Suisse La Bleue - Tradition and quality at its best

2. Strong68 - The best absinthe effect.

3. Moulin Vert - Traditional French absinthe with a very complex taste, natural green color nice louche and stimulation.

4. Blue Velvet - Anisfree absinthe, therefore for those who do not like the licorice taste.


http://www.absintheonline.com

Dornier Tuller CC 91KB

Nicknamed "La Fée Verte" ("The Green Fairy") after its pale-green colour, it tastes much like an aniseed-flavoured liqueur but with a more subtle flavour, due to the many herbs used, and light bitter undertones.

In addition to wormwood, absinthe contains anise (often partially substituted with star anise), Florence fennel, hyssop, melissa, and Roman wormwood (Artemisia pontica). Various recipes also include angelica root, sweet flag, dittany leaves, coriander, veronica, juniper, nutmeg, and various mountain herbs.

The alcohol content is extremely high (45%~85%, though there is no historical evidence that any commercial vintage absinthe was higher than 74 percent) given the low solubility of many of the herbal components in alcohol.

It is usually not drunk "straight," but consumed after a fairly elaborate ritual (link with info) in which a specially designed, slotted spoon with a sugar cube inside its bowl is placed over a glass, and water is poured over the sugar until the drink is diluted 3:1 to 5:1. During that ritual, the components that are not soluble in water come out of solution and cloud the drink; that milky opalescence has always been called the "louche" (Fr. "opaque" or "shady"). This process takes around seven minutes, the following is a time-lapse animation of it:
Louche 1

In the former times of the Belle Epoque many intellectuals and artists confessed their love to the Green Fairy and met for the "Heure Verte", the green hour, in the bistros of Paris. Toulouse Lautrec, Baudelaire, Manet, Rimbaud, Verlaine and Gauguin were famous absintheures, just to name a few.

Asides from alcohol absinthe contains a number of different psychoactive substances. Among these thujon is of major importance, a substance released by the wormwood plant, known under the name artemisia absinthium. The effects of real absinthe can be mood brightening, stimulating even euphorizing. Today in Germany and other European Countries the maximum thujon content permitted by law is 10mg per kilogram in spirits and 35mg in the so called "Bitter Spirits."

When indulged in moderation, the effect is one of pleasant alcohol intoxication accompanied by a lively mental clarity and uplifted mood, not unlike that of caffeine. It is now commonly thought to be the result of the mixture of the herbs in question, not merely the wormwood. It is likely that this liveliness and clarity allowed the artists and writers of the belle epoque to capture their visions rather than simply falling into a stupor. However, it must be remembered that absinthe inspires brilliance, it does not provide it.

When indulged in excessively, however, the effects are precisely similar to those of any over-indulgence in alcohol. Take into mind the very high alcohol content compared to most modern drinks, and indulge responsibly and in moderation.

Absinthe is not a narcotic. It will not make you "trip", hallucinate, cut your ear off, or anything else you wouldn't ordinarily do when intoxicated with liquor. These often-repeated legends are based on misinformation, exaggeration, 19th century politics (specifically, the Puritanical drive to to ban all alcohol-containing drinks - absinthe was an easy target because of it's high alcohol content) and media hype.

Absinthe has never been banned in the UK, Spain, Portgual, the areas now known as the Czech Republic or Mexico, nor in much of Southern and Eastern Europe,
It was banned in Congo, Brazil, Belgium, Switzerland, Holland, the USA, and France in the early 1900's as a result of French controversy.
It was recently legalised again by the European Union in 1988 and is now legal in nearly all of Europe.

An often neglected fact is that there were millions who enjoyed absinthe regularly with no ill effects whatsoever. There were over 30,000 cafés all over Paris. At its height of popularity, the people of France consumed over 36,000,000 liters of absinthe a year . Everyone drank absinthe. There were no drug-induced "trips" as with commonly available illegal drugs.
Absinthe was never drunk furtively in dark, secret "absinthe dens". It was like beer is today - everywhere, in every bar.

Swiss poster criticising the 1915 ban of Absinthe
It shows a triumphant prohibitionist, dressed as a priest, trampling on the murdered figure of the Green Fairy, while in the background Helvetica mourns her lost liberties.

From 2nd March this year, absinthe was made again legal in its country of origin, Switzerland, after nearly a century of prohibition. Evidence suggests absinthe has never stopped being produced in Switzerland and clandestine home distillers have produced it since the ban.

In America it is still banned, and bottles of absinthe are regularly seized by American customs officers.
There it is not specified as a controlled substance and not legally considered a drug (as in fact, it is not). This means that there are no laws specifically prohibiting possession or consumption of absinthe in particular. It can, however, be seized during transit or from your home, with a warrant. Also, it is considered untaxed liquor, which is illegal.
If absinthe is discovered in luggage being brought into the US it will be confiscated and "destroyed" (by some very delighted customs officers and their drinking buddies, most likely). It's not considered "evil" like cocaine or heroin, it's considered naughty.
If absinthe is discovered by Customs or the US Postal Service (USPS) being shipped to the US via the mail, it will be seized and the package will be resealed and delivered to its intended recipient along with a letter stating that the absinthe had been found and seized and you may elect to contest the seizure (you have no chance of winning this), have them "destroy" it or return it to the sender.
In any of these cases, you will not be fined, arrested or harassed, you'll just have your booze stolen from you by well-meaning but ignorant public servants. They are only doing their job.

What's wrong with Czech-style Absinth (easily spotted as it does not include the E of Absinthe) - also produced in Russia, Germany, Poland, Holland, Austria and Bulgaria.
With very few exceptions, absinthe ("absinth") produced outside France, Switzerland and Spain are terribly inferior absinthe knock-offs and marketed by less-than-ethical businesses - It's fake, and possibly harmful due to added chemicals that ordinary Absinthe does not contain that can prove toxic.
However, recently, three medium-to-decent quality brands of authentic absinthe have been released: "Montmartre" from Austria, "Absinthe Toulouse Lautrec" from Czechia, and one decent Swiss absinth (no e), "Kallnacher".

Thujone is not a narcotic either. Thujone, the primary volatile oil in wormwood, is present in only in very small amounts in absinthe and is negligible in its effects. The current "high-thujone" and "strong" hype on many sites selling absinthe (usually absinth, the poor-quality ripoff) is merely a marketing gimmick aimed at the gullible in search of a new high. Thujone's role in the so-called "secondary effect" is greatly exaggerated, as are the secondaries themselves.

While in extremely high quantities, thujone is known to be a dangerous neurotoxin, science has shown through chemical analysis of vintage absinthes and contemporary absinthes made strictly according to historical recipes, that previous estimates of thujone levels in pre-ban absinthe were greatly exaggerated. One would die of alcohol poisoning long before one could consume enough absinthe to get a substantial dose of thujone.

Sage and tarragon both contain thujone. There's probably as much thujone in one glass of absinthe as there is in a helping of turkey stuffing. Very, very little and in no way harmful. As was mentioned previously, most of the taste comes from the unique combination of herbs, and the "Absinthe effect" comes from the distillation process.

The majority of studies cited by critics which seem to implicate absinthe were not performed by testing absinthe itself, but used pure thujone extracted directly from wormwood without distillation and without considering the miniscule amounts actually present in the absinthe after distillation. A parody of a scientific analysis.

Many decadent fin-de-siecle Paris-based artists including Paul Verlaine and Oscar Wilde were fans of the drink.

Contrary to rumours, Absinthe definitely does not in any way "rot your mind" 😉

Pure thujone, now that would be a different matter. But that's like saying drinking alcoholic drinks is the same as drinking pure Ethanol (pure alcohol, 100% proof), which would surely kill you. It's not. 😉

A detailed scientific report about Thujone by Ian Hutton in an article titled 'Myth, reality and absinthe' September 2002, first appearing in 'Current Drug Discovery' magazine, a resource for individuals working in healthcare - "Absinthe has always had an ambivalent history, praised on the one hand as 'The Green Muse' by its devotees, while condemned on the other by it detractors as a cause of moral degeneracy. But is there any scientific or medical basis for either position?"

You can't make real absinthe at home any more than you can make real whisky at home. Absinthe must be distilled. Soaking wormwood in vodka to make absinthe is like soaking corn in vodka to make Bourbon. It's like adding grape juice to vodka to make wine.

Authentic absinthe is not horribly bitter; it is less so than tonic water or tea, and the tradition of adding sugar also helps belay the bitterness.

Reviews of different absinthes.

Absinthe cocktail recipes.

The sugar's an important bit! The preparation ritual's for a reason, think the Chinese Tea Ritual, it's to make sure it is prepared and tastes the best possible!

Also there are many many different types of Absinthe, with different tastes, flavours and ingredients. They're no more the same than all types of wine are.

From http://www.alandia.de:
Particularly good varities:
1. Absinthe Suisse La Bleue - Tradition and quality at its best

2. Strong68 - The best absinthe effect.

3. Moulin Vert - Traditional French absinthe with a very complex taste, natural green color nice louche and stimulation.

4. Blue Velvet - Anisfree absinthe, therefore for those who do not like the licorice taste.

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belos@belos
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#4 · 27 Oktober, 2005, 1913
Zitat von belos am 27 Oktober, 2005, 1913 Uhr

The Le Bleue is pretty good, I still have (2) bottles left.

Did not like the Velvet.....too much of a cinammon flavor.

Alandia has their own breed , La Boohme ( I'd have to check the label), but it's spicey orange and VERY freaking good!

I just place another order to them for 4 other bottles including a Mouuse to pour over ice straight, and they carry the absinthe soda pop......I'll let you know what I think of that once I get it.

SO FAR....the air-courrier shipments have gotten past customs. which is why Alandia reccomends them, especially for the USA.

It costs about $79.00 in USA money just for the shipping....sadly.

Converting the EURO to USA $

For example......the shipment I place last week, will cost me about $250.00.

That should hold me for a year, as I have various brands in my cabinet that have not been opened yet.

Right now I'm polishing off a Hapsburg Gold.....heavy anise taste! but high alcohol content.
I've learned it mixes best with saspirilla!


The Le Bleue is pretty good, I still have (2) bottles left.

Did not like the Velvet.....too much of a cinammon flavor.

Alandia has their own breed , La Boohme ( I'd have to check the label), but it's spicey orange and VERY freaking good!

I just place another order to them for 4 other bottles including a Mouuse to pour over ice straight, and they carry the absinthe soda pop......I'll let you know what I think of that once I get it.

SO FAR....the air-courrier shipments have gotten past customs. which is why Alandia reccomends them, especially for the USA.

It costs about $79.00 in USA money just for the shipping....sadly.

Converting the EURO to USA $

For example......the shipment I place last week, will cost me about $250.00.

That should hold me for a year, as I have various brands in my cabinet that have not been opened yet.

Right now I'm polishing off a Hapsburg Gold.....heavy anise taste! but high alcohol content.
I've learned it mixes best with saspirilla!

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#5 · 20 November, 2005, 0147
Zitat von pretentiouswhore am 20 November, 2005, 0147 Uhr

If only I could afford to pay that much for shipping...as I have yet to experience absinthe, sadly.


If only I could afford to pay that much for shipping...as I have yet to experience absinthe, sadly.

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maestro@maestro
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#6 · 20 November, 2005, 1145
Zitat von maestro am 20 November, 2005, 1145 Uhr

it's worth the effort

for a simple test run if you like it at all get yourself a bottle of sambuca first, it's not the same,but a start


it's worth the effort

for a simple test run if you like it at all get yourself a bottle of sambuca first, it's not the same,but a start

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#7 · 20 November, 2005, 1217
Zitat von arioch am 20 November, 2005, 1217 Uhr

Nice reply Darkpanic. Probably the best I've seen to the age-old absinthe topics 8)


Nice reply Darkpanic. Probably the best I've seen to the age-old absinthe topics 8)

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#8 · 20 November, 2005, 2056
Zitat von pretentiouswhore am 20 November, 2005, 2056 Uhr

I'lldo that...Sambuca tastes like licorice, right?


I'lldo that...Sambuca tastes like licorice, right?

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#9 · 20 November, 2005, 2149
Zitat von maestro am 20 November, 2005, 2149 Uhr

yes, kind of


yes, kind of

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#10 · 9 April, 2006, 1400
Zitat von honey_muffin_demon am 9 April, 2006, 1400 Uhr

The licorice sort of taste the Sambuca has makes it worth it for me. But Really, I like the Le Bleue when I have enought money to get it..and when I can get it PERIOD.


The licorice sort of taste the Sambuca has makes it worth it for me. But Really, I like the Le Bleue when I have enought money to get it..and when I can get it PERIOD.

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#11 · 27 Mai, 2006, 1117
Zitat von thesunsetter am 27 Mai, 2006, 1117 Uhr

ohh Absinthe, coincdentally the name of my band lol, sorry just thought i'd say that Absinthe's Abode < there's the link if anyone's interested, we're just starting up though so twill be a while before any audio will be up, we're a gothic metal band so feel free to check us out and if you want join the forum...


ohh Absinthe, coincdentally the name of my band lol, sorry just thought i'd say that Absinthe's Abode < there's the link if anyone's interested, we're just starting up though so twill be a while before any audio will be up, we're a gothic metal band so feel free to check us out and if you want join the forum...

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#12 · 27 Mai, 2006, 1633
Zitat von belos am 27 Mai, 2006, 1633 Uhr

I'll check your link out 🙂


I'll check your link out 🙂

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#13 · 28 Mai, 2006, 0351
Zitat von thesunsetter am 28 Mai, 2006, 0351 Uhr

sweet!! thank you dearest one, let me know what you think of it, my best friend Dravey done the layout and everything, so any comments would be very appriciated, i done the logo though lol, still got a bit left to do and hopefully get some life in the forum on it soon lol...


sweet!! thank you dearest one, let me know what you think of it, my best friend Dravey done the layout and everything, so any comments would be very appriciated, i done the logo though lol, still got a bit left to do and hopefully get some life in the forum on it soon lol...

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#14 · 28 Mai, 2006, 0414
Zitat von necromancerza am 28 Mai, 2006, 0414 Uhr

Hey .. you know what would be great ?
If you post a little info on your band here in the Promotion forum.
Give us all a little more info about your band .. and maby a fiew links to some mp3`s that everyone can get a feel of what type of music you generate 😉


Hey .. you know what would be great ?
If you post a little info on your band here in the Promotion forum.
Give us all a little more info about your band .. and maby a fiew links to some mp3`s that everyone can get a feel of what type of music you generate 😉

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#15 · 28 Mai, 2006, 0716
Zitat von thesunsetter am 28 Mai, 2006, 0716 Uhr

sweet!! will do, thanks for letting me know about that...


sweet!! will do, thanks for letting me know about that...

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